Responses on: Have we been had by the system? http://www.ventpark.com/vent/2008/10/18/have-we-been-had-by-the-system/ Sun, 20 May 2012 04:24:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: veronnica10146 http://www.ventpark.com/vent/2008/10/18/have-we-been-had-by-the-system/#comment-338 veronnica10146 Sun, 19 Oct 2008 13:12:37 +0000 http://www.ventpark.com/?p=280#comment-338 I don't have time now to fully reply as I'd like, but think about this:  1. Which party instituted Medicare?  DEMOCRATS 2. Which party instuted Socail Security? DEMOCRATS 3. Which party instituted Medicais for the poor? DEMOCRATS 4. Which party institued the Head Start Program for poor children? DEMOCRATS 5.  Which party proposed & instituted tax cuts for the RICH?  REPUBLICANS 6.  Which party cut funding to medicaid, veterans, head start, and more?  REPUBLICANS 7.  Under which party was there a surplus?  DEMOCRATS 8. Under which party is there ALWAYS a deficit?  REPUBLICANS I could go on & on, but I think you get the pattern.  Democrats try to pass bills for those in need.  Republicans try to pass bills for the rich.  I don't know about you, but the record speaks for itself.  There are SOOOOooooooo many more examples of this.  I'm not spoonfed by the media.  I do my research. PLEASE THINK ABOUT THIS MORE. I don’t have time now to fully reply as I’d like, but think about this: 
1. Which party instituted Medicare?  DEMOCRATS
2. Which party instuted Socail Security? DEMOCRATS
3. Which party instituted Medicais for the poor? DEMOCRATS
4. Which party institued the Head Start Program for poor children? DEMOCRATS
5.  Which party proposed & instituted tax cuts for the RICH?  REPUBLICANS
6.  Which party cut funding to medicaid, veterans, head start, and more?  REPUBLICANS
7.  Under which party was there a surplus?  DEMOCRATS
8. Under which party is there ALWAYS a deficit?  REPUBLICANS

I could go on & on, but I think you get the pattern.  Democrats try to pass bills for those in need.  Republicans try to pass bills for the rich.  I don’t know about you, but the record speaks for itself.  There are SOOOOooooooo many more examples of this.  I’m not spoonfed by the media.  I do my research.

PLEASE THINK ABOUT THIS MORE.

]]> By: thetaman http://www.ventpark.com/vent/2008/10/18/have-we-been-had-by-the-system/#comment-334 thetaman Sun, 19 Oct 2008 04:21:53 +0000 http://www.ventpark.com/?p=280#comment-334 To the anonymous person above,  you are correct that their publicized ideologies on the issues that are made public during the campaigns are at opposite poles.  But if you look a little deeper than what the media spoon feeds you, you'll find that both sides support a lot of the same things when it comes down to what they vote for in the Senate and in Congress, and what special interest groups they support. This economic crisis we're in the middle of wasn't created by just one party.  It was created by both.  And look how both Obama and McCain supported that ridiculous bank bailout bill.  There were so many extra disrelated items snuck into that bill -- that both sides supported.  And this happened despite all that both Obama and McCain kept saying in their campaigns about how opposed to this kind of thing they are. All the things that the Elite are trying to push through without the public finding out about is what both parties agree on.  The publicized issues don't really make much difference in the big scheme of things.  That's why no matter who we vote in for President, the overall result will be the same.  The American public will suffer and the Elite will benefit -- just like it's always been.  And it doesn't matter what rhetoric the candidates are spewing at you right now (which you apparently are swallowing wholesale). You'll see in a few months.  All these rabid Obama supporters that are fanatically ushering Obama in to the Presidency will be the same ones complaining about his administration once it gets underway.  It would be the same with McCain.  It was that way with Bush, and with many other presidents in the past.  You think you're voting for one thing, but you're really getting something else. That's why so many people are so skeptical about politicians.  They know it's all smoke and mirrors.  But we play the two-party election game anyhow, to make ourselves feel like we actually have some say in things.  Or because it's uncomfortable to turn the TV off and take a look at what's really going on in the world. It's funny how people tell you that you've "wasted your vote" if you vote for a third party.  I know, because I have voted third party in the past and I've been harshly criticized for it by others.  What sort of democracy is this if we are fed two choices and have to pick the lesser of the two evils.  It's not really a democracy, even though it has the public appearance of being one. To the anonymous person above,  you are correct that their publicized ideologies on the issues that are made public during the campaigns are at opposite poles.  But if you look a little deeper than what the media spoon feeds you, you’ll find that both sides support a lot of the same things when it comes down to what they vote for in the Senate and in Congress, and what special interest groups they support.

This economic crisis we’re in the middle of wasn’t created by just one party.  It was created by both.  And look how both Obama and McCain supported that ridiculous bank bailout bill.  There were so many extra disrelated items snuck into that bill — that both sides supported.  And this happened despite all that both Obama and McCain kept saying in their campaigns about how opposed to this kind of thing they are.

All the things that the Elite are trying to push through without the public finding out about is what both parties agree on.  The publicized issues don’t really make much difference in the big scheme of things.  That’s why no matter who we vote in for President, the overall result will be the same.  The American public will suffer and the Elite will benefit — just like it’s always been.  And it doesn’t matter what rhetoric the candidates are spewing at you right now (which you apparently are swallowing wholesale).

You’ll see in a few months.  All these rabid Obama supporters that are fanatically ushering Obama in to the Presidency will be the same ones complaining about his administration once it gets underway.  It would be the same with McCain.  It was that way with Bush, and with many other presidents in the past.  You think you’re voting for one thing, but you’re really getting something else.

That’s why so many people are so skeptical about politicians.  They know it’s all smoke and mirrors.  But we play the two-party election game anyhow, to make ourselves feel like we actually have some say in things.  Or because it’s uncomfortable to turn the TV off and take a look at what’s really going on in the world.

It’s funny how people tell you that you’ve “wasted your vote” if you vote for a third party.  I know, because I have voted third party in the past and I’ve been harshly criticized for it by others.  What sort of democracy is this if we are fed two choices and have to pick the lesser of the two evils.  It’s not really a democracy, even though it has the public appearance of being one.

]]> By: veronnica10146 http://www.ventpark.com/vent/2008/10/18/have-we-been-had-by-the-system/#comment-329 veronnica10146 Sun, 19 Oct 2008 03:05:06 +0000 http://www.ventpark.com/?p=280#comment-329 Do you all know anything about politics?  The Dems & Rep's ideologies are COMPLETELY different!  Do you all know anything about politics?  The Dems & Rep’s ideologies are COMPLETELY different! 

]]> By: JohntheChristian http://www.ventpark.com/vent/2008/10/18/have-we-been-had-by-the-system/#comment-328 JohntheChristian Sat, 18 Oct 2008 18:35:17 +0000 http://www.ventpark.com/?p=280#comment-328 I am frustrated about the two party system. I want options. I think giving a guaranteed spot on a ballot to two out of hundreds of parties is preferential treatment and unconstitutional.  it should be an equal standard system, something along the lines of a petition. Get x amount of signees, get on the ballot. Giving a guaranteed spot to R and D, which are supposed to be private parties, undermines the concept of a democratic republic. I am frustrated about the two party system. I want options. I think giving a guaranteed spot on a ballot to two out of hundreds of parties is preferential treatment and unconstitutional.  it should be an equal standard system, something along the lines of a petition.

Get x amount of signees, get on the ballot. Giving a guaranteed spot to R and D, which are supposed to be private parties, undermines the concept of a democratic republic.

]]> By: thetaman http://www.ventpark.com/vent/2008/10/18/have-we-been-had-by-the-system/#comment-326 thetaman Sat, 18 Oct 2008 17:08:54 +0000 http://www.ventpark.com/?p=280#comment-326 Don't know exactly how that would work, but I've often noticed that there fundamentally really isn't much difference between the two parties.  And I've followed some third-party campaigns in the past and have seen how the system is set up to prevent them from being able to participate in any meaningful way in an election.  So yes, there may be something to this. Don’t know exactly how that would work, but I’ve often noticed that there fundamentally really isn’t much difference between the two parties.  And I’ve followed some third-party campaigns in the past and have seen how the system is set up to prevent them from being able to participate in any meaningful way in an election.  So yes, there may be something to this.

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